Sharks, Rigs, and Black Flies: A Tale of Fishing Innovations

George Scocca: 4:50

Hello Anglers, this is George Scocca, and you're listening to the New York Fishing Podcast Brought to you by NYAnglercom. That's NYAnglercom, your secret spot online, so I'm going to talk about the fluke fishing that we've seen just for a few minutes. Tell you about my outings. I went out against south of Jones, hitting some Rocky bottom out there, and in the last episode, I talked about how, every time we dropped, we had a fight and we had a fish on. Well, here we are. We have this gorgeous day it was Wednesday and we head out Flat com Seas beautiful sunrise. I have a photo of it on the NYAnglercom website. It was just. Everything was lining up. We get out there there's hardly anyone on the grounds, and we're like we own the place, get ready, so we start fishing, and immediately they start biting, and I mean biting hard. Unfortunately, though, it was not fluke that was biting, it was black flies, and it was like 101 degrees, with no wind, and the wind we had was wind against tide, and the long and the short of it is I found the best bug spray repellent I've ever used. It's all natural. I don't make a dime on this. I'm not trying to sell anything, but this stuff is called Captain Ron's Bug Spray and I'm telling you we were using that deep wood stuff and everything and those flies were still chewing through us Westchester. Steve was smart enough to wear his long pants. I was, you know, I'm thinking it's gonna be 95 if I was in shorts. I was getting eaten alive. And then Pete breaks out this stuff from a mutual friend who had recommended it to him and he never used it. Long story short, the stuff is great, it smells good, it's all natural. But the thing is those flies would not land on my legs as long as I had some stuff on me. They would all on my shorts but they wouldn't bite me. So getting back to the fishing, it kind of was disappointing in that in my mind. Look, I don't know the area half as well as the man I'm fishing with. I mean, this guy knows that area and he knows it well. But the way I see it, where we were fishing, at least those fish, when we had that big bite last week, we were kind of staging and then we had that supermoon come in and the storm came up the coast and it didn't direct, you know, affect us directly. But when you listen to reports coming in from Montauk and you know all around. Yes, fluke are being caught, but I think those fish have moved out. Pete says they haven't, so I'm going with him or not, that they haven't, he's just not sold, I don't know. We caught a couple dogfish. We had almost no shorts. We ended up with three keepers. Pete had a nice fish, of course, like always. He had a five pounder, which I had is unbelievable, but there were very few fish caught. But with that said, if you were to check the fishing report section on NY Angler, you'd see that our good friend Jimmy Furch, he had some really nice fish yesterday and he had a seven and a half pounder. So look, the season's open till October 1st, you know. Hopefully there'll be around. The other thing that's surprising me is the lack of sea bass out there. You know we've seen so many but we just aren't seeing them this year. Well, at least over there, I know on a North Fork, it's starting to happen and it will happen. But yeah, so that's kind of my report for the week. So I'm going to mention just a few things about the saltwater license every single episode until we have one. I do want to talk about it In case you didn't hear and you know me, I'm on top of this thing and I know I didn't hear there was a hearing On assault what a license. The other day down at DEC over in Kings Park, and it was about the license and no one showed up. That's what I heard. I could be wrong, but I heard that not a single person showed up. Did you know about it? Because I didn't, and if I didn't I don't think you did. The other thing I want to mention is I know that the DEC is going to the tackle shops. They're reaching out to the industry For you to put out surveys on this sort. What a license. Now, look, I'm not telling anybody what to do, but you know, I don't see how. I know, if I owned a tackle shop I would not want to put them out. But that's just my feelings. So you guys out there, remember you don't have to. It's nice if you do. I don't know. They're kind of picking and choosing. I'd rather see them promoting this license on social media. Why is everything so hush hush? And you know why didn't we know about this? I mean, yes, it was on some kind of a printed flyer that they handed out. Anybody read a print to fly lately. I know I haven't. Okay, so that's it on the license this week. I have one thing you know there's never a shortage of fisheries management stories, right, I know a lot of you people like to hear these things. But I just want to educate you on things not that I'm smarter than you, because, trust me, these things come up every day. There's something else and, in case you haven't noticed, there have been many instances and it seems to be I increasing every single year and that's the new term in fisheries management, which is shark depredation. So what that is is when a shark, when you're fighting a fish, a shark comes up and eats a fish, kills a fish. Now there is an act called the shark act, supporting the health of aquatic systems through research, knowledge and enhanced dialogue, the shark act, and it's put out. I mean it's not passed or anything, it's just a bill that's out there and I will note this bill is supported by, like, everybody, from the ASA to the NMMA, to, I mean, everybody, cca, all the big organization, teddy Roosevelt Organization, all these people support this bill. So I guess there's something there I'm missing, but I, you know, I want to throw it out there and see what you think. I'd like to get some feedback, if I can, from you on this, because you're going to see this more and more and more. So this act, I think, is a very important part of the process. So this act aims to protect marine ecosystems from shark deputation by establishing a task force to work within fisheries management groups to address the problems posed by increased shark depredation and identify research and funding opportunities for improving the conditions. It here's another one. The act also seeks to improve the environment of marine life and sport fishing conditions. How many times are we going to have an act to do all these things right? The other thing is I'm curious why we need such an act. What are they going to do? How can can they stop it? No, it's totally impossible to stop. It's been happening forever. I mean, go fish out in Alaska and see what happens when you hook up into a salmon and you've got a couple of sea lions around or even a halibut. I've been there and I've had a. I pulled in a halibut with huge chunks taken out of their sides. Actually it was a lot easier to reel the fish in. But yeah, sure, I mean this is happening and the thing that gets me is I don't know what can they do. What can they do? Can they stop it? No, are they going to teach the sharks not to bite fish that are on a fishing line? No, the other. The other point is do they think that the sharks just started eating? And what I mean by that is yeah, sure, they're eating a striped bass on a line, but they're doing that because it's easier, not because they have to, and I believe this is just an evolution. That's gone on and on and they figured it out. They're not the only species that does this. I was out snapper fishing out in Florida and we had these huge amberjack 20, 25 pound amberjack and if you hooked a yellowtail and you didn't crank that sucker in like as fast as you could, you were losing that fish. In fact, we were counting totals of who caught the most fish and we actually counted haves. So in fact I won one bite a half of a fish. So this is something that's going on and there's nothing I mean there's nothing you can do about it. Do we need another branch of fisheries management? People jumping in on this? I mean, this thing is going to cost money. They want every coastal state to have shark biologists and all these different things. I don't see any other way to do that. They're just going to go eat another fish. It's not like they're not eating or they're killing more fish. You see, here's my fear. A bill like this should pass opens the door to a fish, a fish that has a fish in it, which is a fish that has a fish in it, a fish that has a fish in it, a fish that has a fish in it. And then the door to suddenly include a new category against the recreational angler. That's my fear. So they're going to kind of come in and say you know what? 20,000 striped bass were killed by sharks last year, according to our numbers. So we need to add that to the recreational fishery. That's what I think is coming. I don't know what they, what can they do? Are they going to I don't know put up nets, block sharks from coming in? Are they going to send the sharks to school and teach them not to bite off a fishing line? Look, if a shark is around and they see an easy meal, they're grabbing it, and I don't understand what such a bill like this would have to do with helping any of it. I mean, okay, they're eating half a fish. What else do we need to know? And later on in this show we're going to be speaking with a gentleman who came face to face with a shark from a paddleboard fishing, so it should be pretty interesting to get his take on the shark situation. So yeah, it's been quite a season so far, and I mean you know I should mention the bluefin tuna action in shore has been off the hook, no pun intended. I've seen anglers that have caught some huge fish less than 25 miles from Joenton, less than 30 miles from Pire Island. Also huge numbers of albacore. When we were out Fluke in, we had them. Well, we saw it. We didn't have them, we were concentrating on fluke but we saw them all around. People were picking them and we also Saw a bunch of dolphins out there which we'd never seen and I'm trying to think that would be were. There were a couple other weird happenings. I don't know if I mentioned we had the dog fish and couple sea robb in this, but that was it. It was slow, we had the three keepers, but you know, all in all we were fishing was a good day. I mean, we got back to the boat five o'clock and was Freakin. Well, four o'clock is like freaking hundred degrees. There we are, these three old men scrubbing down a boat and sometimes at that point I'm almost happy we're just playing it. A half a dozen fish or whatever. I shouldn't say that, but it's true. So let's move on to another subject. On the tackle front my good friend John Skinner. His new dark, madder spinning rod is out. It's an inshore rod, it's a seven footer medium power fast action and it's rated for one eighth to one ounce lures. So Johnny boys got another rod out there, if I'm sure it'll be as successful as the others. I watched the video With him using the rod. You know we will buy one here at New York Angler and put it through, put it through the test. But you know John's got his name on it. I'm sure that it's a good rod and you can read more about it at New York angler. com

Sponge Bob and Joe Biden: 20:01

And what is killing all of the whales? No, no, no, no. We're not killing whales. This one is on to Bob Killing any whales. We are saving the earth. Whales just happen to be dying. There's nothing to see here. Move on.

George Scocca: 20:25

I would like to welcome Eddie Carroll, who's here today to speak with us About his adventures while fishing the world's greatest bluefish tournament, the WICC Big bluefish tournament, and he's also going to talk about some new method of fishing that he's been doing that I really have a lot of Interest in. So, eddie, please introduce yourself and tell us what kind of fishing you do and how old fish.

Eddie Carroll: 21:02

Awesome, yeah, hey, george, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate you reaching out. I'm excited to share my story and talk a little bit about what I do for fishing here in the sound and what I grew up doing and how I got so comfortable, I guess, on my paddleboard that thing is like, just so you know, yeah, I watch people on paddleboards.

George Scocca: 21:24

I always said what are they doing Standing up? And then I saw it like videos of people fishing on them and I'm like they're holding on to a rod and fishes cruising or taking them around. I'm like, oh, I don't know, not many people do that here, but I guess you do, huh.

Eddie Carroll: 21:40

Yeah, I grew up, you know, on the water In Madison, connecticut, and a little beach community on the middle of three boys. Yeah, we During summers would wake up first thing in the morning and be at the beach till sundown, so I have a great appreciation for the sound it's. You know, one of my favorite things on earth to do is to get out there and you know I do go out on my paddleboard Solo. I just have found it hard to coordinate those trips with people that don't have the same passion for it as I do.

George Scocca: 22:13

Yeah.

Eddie Carroll: 22:15

Yeah, yeah.

George Scocca: 22:17

I know you're not getting me to go. I'll tell you how much I I'm being a boot next to you, but yeah, yeah, so, so, yeah. So explain it a little bit. Hey, you know, had you end up getting into this type of fishing, or there are a lot of people that do it. I mean, do we need to add a new board to the New York angler site? Oh, by the way, I want to make it clear that I'm also a sound guy. Across the pond, as we say here in Long Island, yeah, I fish. I keep my boat on an offshore, so we're fishing basically the same waters.

Eddie Carroll: 22:52

Awesome, yeah, I mean it's a beautiful place to fish and get on the water. You know it's different than the actual open ocean a lot of ways, but seems like more and more some of the big big creatures are making their way back into the sound, like historically there's records of them being here, oh, which is, yeah, I think, from like ecological standpoint it's definitely a good thing. But you know how I got into kayak fishing. I mean, padaboard fishing is I started packing fishing from a young age, you know, early teens. I was probably going out there solo or with my friends and you know, strap all my gear on there, got pretty comfortable, and then paddleboards came out, probably around 10 years ago or so. I quickly adapted to the paddleboard and got really comfortable on there and I started strapping my gear onto the paddleboard and going out that way. So I take a milk crate and I started with just bungees. Now I have actual, you know, crank straps, which have been a good change for me. I have a milk crate with my tackle Pull holders and a bucket and cooler and a small buffer maker. That's really just of it.

George Scocca: 24:09

Wow, you're gonna have to send me some photos so I can post them up with this interview. It's it. I don't know, the whole thing sounds a little nuts, but I guess it's really. You know it's just, it's just another, you know another way for you to get to the fish. And you know, I mean I get. I mean I can't see ever see myself doing it, like I said before, but it looks like it could be a good time. So so you've adopted, you've made you kind of, you know, made up your own Tackled situation. You know tackle box and all that. I guess eventually they're gonna be coming out with all kinds of stuff you can rig on a paddleboard, similar to what they did, you know, with kayaks when they first came yeah, you know, I've seen it.

Eddie Carroll: 24:56

Yeah, I've seen it more and more like on social media and everything. They're making custom boards for fishing and strapping our gear on there. You know, I think it's all great, Um, and you know, if you're comfortable doing it, it's certainly certain risks, obviously balance, and you know what you run into out there. So, making sure you have experience and respect for for getting out there on a paddle board but like the visibility maneuverability, being able to access your tackle deal with your poles and fish, Um, and just being able to like. What I love about it is I don't buy bait typically at the store, like I go out there and sometimes half the time I'm looking for bait, um, to snack fresh, fresh bait and get on fish. So from a visibility standpoint it's it's helpful with that and like in a kayak, you're in the cockpit and you got to turn around and it puts you in awkward positions and you know, even just changing your hook or your lure is difficult, Um, so the paddle board really has been a huge change in in my fishing, Um, and I'm out there typically fishing for striped bass. That's my main goal. I do throw my hat and ring for the blue fish tournament. Um right, and yeah, this year I had quite a wild experience with it, so yeah.

George Scocca: 26:14

So one. But before we get into that, I'd like to. I mean, don't you need like a really calm sea in order to take that? I mean don't I'm picturing like anything over a glass. You're kind of getting thrown around.

Eddie Carroll: 26:31

Am I wrong about that, or Uh, yeah, I mean, obviously conditions are a big factor for whether or not I'm even going out there, Right? Um, so it's definitely something to keep in mind. Uh, I've learned trying not to push or work against. You know the nature and the conditions out there. Um, glasses, ideal, you know you can get away with some chop. Uh, heavy winds can be annoying. The anchor has been good, so if it is like heavy drift days, I can kind of, you know, paddle through my anchor down fish and not, you know, travel over a mile or whatever, just with a current and wind.

George Scocca: 27:06

So yeah, you're bringing in an anchor too. Oh, my God Anyway.

Eddie Carroll: 27:10

Yeah.

George Scocca: 27:11

All right. So tell us about, uh, the famous, uh, blue fish tournament. So you went into the WICC tournament and I'm sure I don't have to explain that to anyone. It's kind of been around longer than me in this game, so, um, but I can remember a time when it took a 20 pound fish to win that tournament. I'm not sure what it was. We this year although I know we had some big blues in the sound, but, um, yeah, I'm not sure. A lot of blues, yeah, I'm not sure what the winner was. But so tell us, tell our audience what happened. Um, I think it was your second day fishing. Second day fishing.

Eddie Carroll: 27:52

Yeah, so, um, um, yeah, day one was a good day for me. Actually, it's my mom's birthday weekend and my cousin, my mom's an identical twin, so I had commitments in the afternoon. I was only playing and I go out in the mornings.

Sponge Bob and Joe Biden: 28:07

Um so, day one I caught a good size blue.

Eddie Carroll: 28:12

I honestly, uh, thought it would be on the leaderboard, you know, probably middle top 10. It was a good size fish. I don't have a scale or anything out there, but I knew it was big enough to maybe get on the board, which was exciting. Uh, it's a little disappointed by the weight. It was 36 inches and only weighed in at 11 pounds. Even yeah, here's how we, yeah he was. You know he did have a hook in his mouth and some braid in there, so passing his his feeding. Um, but yeah I knew I needed to try and get someone bigger day too, to actually make it on the board, which was my goal for the year. Um, I went out there with that mindset big. I was on the water by six AM and, uh, caught a fresh porgy and he used that for bait. And it wasn't too long after I got the, the fresh bait, um, that I hooked into the shark. Um, you know, right away I knew it was a very big fish the way it started now taking line. So how far? How far are you?

George Scocca: 29:15

from shore when this happens?

Eddie Carroll: 29:17

Yeah, yeah, are you familiar with Madison at all, or?

George Scocca: 29:25

not really, but what would you say? I mean, how deep were you fishing?

Eddie Carroll: 29:28

Yeah, it wasn't overwhelmingly deep. The tide was probably close to dead low at the time, so I went a little further out. I was probably a half mile offshore maybe Okay yeah, a few hundred yards, if people are familiar with the area it's far out of paddleboard yeah. Past Tuxas Island, which is a easy market for people that know the area here yeah, so I was moderately far out just because I knew the tide was dead low and I was trying to get a bigger blizzard in day one.

George Scocca: 30:05

Right, right, and you'd have the incoming tide so it wouldn't be too hard to get back in. Yeah, okay.

Eddie Carroll: 30:14

Yeah, but when I hooked into it I knew it was big. It took almost all my line at the beginning where I had to slow it down with my thumb on the reel and I finally slowed it down. It was pulling me with the mustermanker while it was taking line. Oh my God, For a good while.

George Scocca: 30:37

Were you thinking for a minute? Actually, this happened to me once, but were you thinking for a minute? I think I have $25,000 on the line and then all of a sudden, you're like there's no way, it's going to be a bluefish.

Eddie Carroll: 30:51

Yeah. So for a few minutes I was thinking if this is a bluefish, this is going to be what I wanted, it's going to put me on the board and maybe even win. If it had been a blue which I didn't know pretty much until I took the video that the way and what it was exactly. But after a little while, how much line it's taking a blue typically would breach, you would see it, my jumper at least come up to the surface and shake around a bit. So then, after I didn't see that, for a little bit I was thinking maybe it's a giant striped bass, maybe world record or at least personal best with the way it was Right.

George Scocca: 31:37

Right, right.

Eddie Carroll: 31:41

But yeah, I ended up gaining some line back and I knew the chance of me losing the fish was with my anchor down. Once it got a little closer and I gained some line, it started circling the paddle board. I ended up wrapping my anchor before I could get it up.

George Scocca: 31:59

Well, that makes total sense.

Eddie Carroll: 32:01

Yeah, so it got a little tired out while it was dragging me back and forth and I still can't.

George Scocca: 32:11

Now I mean, look. so here you are, You're on the paddle board, 200 yards off the beach and you're being dragged around by a shark and you're just on this board that you could literally fall in, right, yes, so what would you think? I mean, I'm thinking to myself, okay, like look, I'm not one of these people that thinks if you fall on the water, sharks are going to come after you and bite you. I'm not thinking, I don't feel that way, but I know I would have shit a break if I seen this freaking this thing come up and and I'm standing on a board that's actually about the same size as it was. So, yeah, so what were your thoughts at that? Were you ever nervous that you were going to fall off the board?

Eddie Carroll: 33:02

I mean. So, george, honestly, the craziest part about this whole story is, like what's undocumented in terms of video and, like you know, the probably hour long word deal with the shark, before I was able or comfortable enough to get my phone out, you know, I think that's a big thing that people don't really understand, like I didn't just hook into this thing and snag a video, like I battled this thing for an hour and then, yeah, but I didn't know what it was until the very tail ends, you know, about halfway through, or before halfway through, I knew it probably wasn't a bluefish, it probably wasn't a striper, and if it was, it was, you know, competing with some of the biggest stripers ever caught in the sound, right, you know, but with 25,000 on the line, I didn't, you know, I wanted to see otherwise. It was a fishing story and you know what, if it was a giant bluefish at the end of the day, was I nervous? I knew it was dead serious, like I was, you know, hyper focused. There's obviously a lot of adrenaline, right?

George Scocca: 34:08

Well, that's what we looked like. Yeah.

Eddie Carroll: 34:10

Yeah, exactly. So you know it was a balancing act. There were definitely times I was losing the battle to the shark, like there's times where I was trying to rest my arms and my back and you know my pole was resting on my knee and then, you know, halfway in the water and I was just trying to get some steam back.

George Scocca: 34:31

That's really is an amazing story. So, now that so the shark I saw some of the video, or it was photos. I saw something maybe no, I think it was your Instagram video and you could see the shark come up and it actually came fairly close to the board. It came, you know, while it was that the first time you really got a good look at it, or you had already seen it, and then you had time to get your video out.

Eddie Carroll: 34:57

Yeah. So by the time the videos or my phone got out, the shark was dead, tired it was, you know. After I got my anchor up, actually, I had to untangle the line around my anchor with you know, and pull my anchor with one arm pulling the other. I got it close enough and I saw it was a big shark. I didn't know what kind, I knew it was, you know big enough where. When I first got a glimpse of it, and it was close, I was like, okay, you know, it seems tired and if I'm going to document this at all it's going to be right now. So I got my phone out.

George Scocca: 35:30

He is hot summer buddy yeah.

Eddie Carroll: 35:35

Yeah, you know, you got to get some evidence out there.

George Scocca: 35:37

Yeah right, Nobody believes you nowadays unless you have pictures. Exactly so it was.

Eddie Carroll: 35:42

at that time I got my phone out and just to document it, I, you know, swung it by the board I was on a couple times. It did come up, you know, right next to the board. You know it's been dorsal fin even. You know, touch the board it was. It was tired, it was calm. I feel like we had a mutual respect for each other at that point by the time, you know, I got any of those videos just because he really pulled me or he or she or the shark really pulled me around quite a bit.

George Scocca: 36:16

So did you just cut it loose or did it end up? Did you get it to the point of de-hooking? I don't think I would even bother. Yeah, or how close did you get to the shark at the end?

Eddie Carroll: 36:33

Yeah, I mean I was. You know, arms reach away. It was very close to the board. I didn't. You know, for safety and you know what seems like obvious reasons, I didn't feel comfortable trying to get the hook out, but I did cut it, like right at the wire leader, which wasn't very far from its mouth at all. I tried to get as close as I could to the actual hook.

George Scocca: 36:56

And the fish swam away, okay.

Eddie Carroll: 36:58

Yeah, the fish swam away safely, which is, you know, important for me. It wasn't what I was trying to catch by any means, and I typically am a catch release fisherman. The only fish I took out of the sound this year, outside of bait is, was the blue it away in the day before, so right.

George Scocca: 37:16

Well, it's tough to get at slotfish nowadays. So you might be, you know. As far as striped bass are concerned, especially in the sound, I mean they were there, but that little window made things a little tougher, keepers, but that's okay. Yeah, so you had commented before. I just wanted to take on this. So, let's say, it comes up and it's this giant striped bass, something you know is a world record, right? What do you do at that point? We're not allowed to keep them, we're not allowed to weigh them, you know. I mean, what do you do at that point is really to document it. I really wish we can have a solution to that, because you deserve the credit if you get it.

Eddie Carroll: 38:07

Well, thank you. Yeah, if you know anyone over at GoPro, you know that would be helpful for me. Yeah, having a you know reach into my milk crate and into my tackle box, you know that would go a long way for me documenting these things. I think safety would be, you know, a little easier with a GoPro as well. But no, you're right, I mean I don't have a problem when you know I have a lot of respect for the fish. I think they're awesome and you know I don't. I want them to live and be healthy. So, as long as I could document it, you know, weighing it would be nice if it was, you know, close to a world record.

George Scocca: 38:45

Yeah, you know, I remember a time when if you caught a world record striped bass you'd make a career on that fish. There's a couple of people that have you know.

Eddie Carroll: 38:54

I think that the record is, or was at least for a long time, a guy out of Clinton, an old zebra, I mean, it was caught, you know, in my area of the sound, I believe.

George Scocca: 39:05

So well, I know there was a time, oh geez, I don't know. It was a way back. You know, I used to publish a fishing magazine. Actually, it was distributed up there. It was a free one called Nori's Saltwater and there was a striped bass that was caught outside of Bridgeport or somewhere over there and it was 75 pounds. Yeah, the next day I remember them saying that they actually had to have the Coast Guard out there to clear the area. There was so many boats. I'm like wow, people are nuts. You know, like I hate to break it to you, but the fish was cordiric. They're not running around. Not too many 75 pound fish running around, no, swimming around, but so, yeah, so that is one heck of a story I gotta tell you.

Eddie Carroll: 39:57

Oh, thank you yeah.

George Scocca: 39:59

And just the fact that you do what you do, it's great. It's a great new fishery. I guess it's a whole new way to enter the fishery. I guarantee you what I cast next year or the year after, we are going to start seeing tackle for that type of fishing. I have no doubt I can definitely.

Eddie Carroll: 40:20

I mean, it is an awesome way. I do feel like you're a little more connected with what's going on out there just you and on the board with the paddle If you're not catching fish yet. You have awesome scenery around you and you get to be a part of what's going on out there, which is the second biggest reason I love being out there, if not the first, so it's a lot of fun. I appreciate you helping me share the story, george, and what you do for fishing in the sound Sounds like you do some great work. Yeah, I would like to say the only reason I really was able to catch the shark was because I typically don't use wire leaders or hooks like you use for bluefish. I'm out there with circle hooks, mostly targeting striped bass. So if it wasn't bluefish weekend, I probably would have never landed the shark or had a chance to land the shark.

George Scocca: 41:18

It would have cut right through the model leader. I'm never knowing what it was about. Yeah.

Eddie Carroll: 41:22

Yeah, so I think it just it was, you know, dustin, happened. It was a giant, incredibly powerful animal. It was, you know, eight to 10 feet it was. It was quite the experience.

George Scocca: 41:34

Yeah, that's great. So it took a bunker. Was it a live bunker?

Eddie Carroll: 41:39

It took a porgy actually.

George Scocca: 41:40

Oh, I'm sorry, that's right, you said porgy.

Eddie Carroll: 41:42

I knew I needed bigger and yeah, I typically snag bunker and live line those for stripers and yeah, I got some good See now in New York.

George Scocca: 41:51

that's illegal in New York. We can't use, really we can't use live porgy anymore.

Eddie Carroll: 41:57

No, oh yeah, the porgy. It was not live line in the porgy, oh okay, but yeah, all right. Yeah, it was a big porgy, though I'll tell you that.

George Scocca: 42:08

Well, we got a lot of those You've known as well as I do. Oh my God man. We got a lot of porgies. That's definitely one fish that's not in trouble, but I think it's causing trouble. So, all right, look, I really appreciate this. Maybe I'm going to get you a GoPro so you can get me some video on what you're doing.

Eddie Carroll: 42:29

And I'd be greatly appreciate it.

George Scocca: 42:31

Well, we'll see about that. We'll definitely keep in touch and I really I appreciate the time and congratulate. Oh, so look, what was the weight on the winning bluefish, Do you know?

Eddie Carroll: 42:43

I do think it blew everyone out of the water. I think it ended up being a 20 pound fish.

George Scocca: 42:48

Wow See, I mentioned it and it happened yeah. I should have looked that up before we did this, but look, eddie again. I really appreciate this and good luck, good fishing, and we'll definitely be in touch. Did you want to give a shout out on your Instagram account, or it doesn't matter to you? You'd rather kind of keep it low. It's up to you.

Eddie Carroll: 43:10

Yeah, I mean, you guys can check me out on Instagram. That's where the video is. Ed Carol05, c-a-r-r-o-l-l. That's where the video is. I've been starting to share some of my videos I have saved from my experiences out there. But no, I would love to document. I see a lot of cool stuff out there.

George Scocca: 43:33

All right, we'll definitely put that on the back burner. I'll talk to you again soon. I really appreciate the call.

Eddie Carroll: 43:42

Yeah, of course, and good fishing.

George Scocca: 43:44

All right. Eddie. Thank you, hold on, don't go anywhere. Do you have any photos or something that I could just throw up with this thing that maybe you could email me? If you have anything that I could add to the page, that would be great.

Eddie Carroll: 44:01

Yeah, photo wise of the shark and you wanted to see the board. Yeah, that would be great. I'm not sure if you have a video of the board recently, but it sounds like you need photos. I'll take both.

George Scocca: 44:12

I'd love to have video too. All that helps with the search engine results. We'll get a decent number of views. So look, stop by New York, Angler. I mean it says New York, but it's both. I may actually expand it. I'm not sure yet. I own the domain name norreastercom. Oh yeah, I may start that up, but we'll see. Okay, but look, I really appreciate this and you be sure to have. Well, it's going to be a lousy weekend, yeah.

Eddie Carroll: 44:47

But we got the fall run coming up, that's you know part of the year.

George Scocca: 44:52

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Actually, you know I got to play some Florida, so I, you know my wife likes to leave like the first week of October, but we're not doing that anymore. I missed last year. I missed the black fishing and forget that. You know I need to catch my dog, so we're not leaving till the end of October.

Eddie Carroll: 45:11

There you go. Yeah, the run was late last year, in my opinion, you know drapers were heavy and end of October, so yes, I agree, yeah, totally agree.

George Scocca: 45:23

All right, eddie, thanks again, I really appreciate it and you know, good luck keeping tight lines and don't watch out for them, sharks. Yeah.

Eddie Carroll: 45:33

Thanks guys.

George Scocca: 45:33

I appreciate it. Stay in touch. All right, thank you, I will Thanks. All right, bye. Well, there you go, folks. Just when you thought you'd see own fishing. I mean, what else can it be? There's drones, there's kayaks, there's salt water fly, there's their jigging and there's everything. Now we have a new fishery, the. I've seen it before, but you got to stop by MYAnglecom and check out the rig, the way it's made up, and I mean I could see this being a thing not for me, especially when you take a look at the shark and how it was. I mean I definitely would have fell off, not that the shark would bite me, but I would have been in the water. I know it. So you can also see video and follow Eddie at Edcarol05. He's on Instagram, I'm guessing. He's on Facebook and probably a lot of other things, so you can follow him and his inventors. All right, everyone, thanks again for stopping in. I'll have another update next week. I got a little dungonia now. I think it's three or four weeks in a row and I'm going to keep you on top of the license. And thanks again for the growth in listeners. I really do appreciate the support. And for those of you that haven't yet. Please subscribe so you get that notification and so you could stay in touch with the New York Fishery. Remember we're at NewYorkAnglercom all New York all the time, all anglers willing to share their knowledge. Thanks again, everyone. Be safe, tight lines, and God bless America.